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    Raunch culture---pole dancing etc..

    There is an interesting article in this months glamour... I will do a search for it..I read it while grocery shopping. (cheaper that way) anyway... it was linking the pole dancing exercise craze, with brazillian waxes..g-string underwear... and basically all the ways how things that were once part of porn..or prostitution..stripper culture have entered the main stream.. I will get the link for the article.. I have always been apalled at the pole dancing craze without being able to articulate why.. This article articulates well!! It was inspired or written by a new book called female chauvinist pig.. Has anyone read it? Anyway I thought this might make a thought provoking thread.

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    I read a review of that book in the New York Times and but it on my "to read" list, but I haven't gotten to it yet.

    The first paragraph of the review:
    Reading "Female Chauvinist Pigs," Ariel Levy's lively polemic, gave me an epiphany of sorts. Finally, a coherent interpretation of an array of phenomena I'd puzzled over in recent years: the way Paris Hilton's leaked sex tapes seemed only to enhance her career; the horrifying popularity of vaginoplasty, a surgical procedure designed to make female genitalia more sightly; and a spate of mainstream books about stripping and other sex work, some reviewed in these pages. Levy has a theory that makes sense of all this. Our popular culture, she argues, has embraced a model of female sexuality that comes straight from pornography and strip clubs, in which the woman's job is to excite and titillate - to perform for men. According to Levy, women have bought into this by altering their bodies surgically and cosmetically, and - more insidiously - by confusing sexual power with power, so that embracing this caricaturish form of sexuality becomes, in their minds, a perverse kind of feminism.

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    I went to the bookstore to buy this book today but alas, it wasn't in, so I ordered it from the library. Either way I have to wait, and one way is $25 cheaper.
    I thought that maybe it would be a little preachy, but I read an interview with the author in Bitch and it made so much sense. She was talking about how the only way women are recognized as being "empowered" is if they can (to paraphrase her) look through Maxim without feeling bad. She's not saying that the kind of Girls Gone Wild exhibitionism is necessarily bad because some women generally like it. There are some women who actually enjoy stripping or hooking (The Happy Hooker anyone?) and more power to them, but for this show-off sexuality to be the only way for women to express their confidence in themselves is ridiculous. It's kind of like when gay men call themselves faggots, trying to make something negative into a positive by making it one's own, but us gals (or rather those gals, the "female chauvinist pigs") totally missed the mark.
    I have no idea how coherent that was, but I know what I mean.

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    I'd been a little uncomfortable with the whole "sex as feminism" bit, like louisa, but I couldn't put my finger on it so I figured it was some subconscious manifestation of prudishness or not being fully confident. Seems that I'd bought into all of it, without even noticing.

    This book should be interesting, thanks for bringing it up.

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    i read about that book, and i have to admit, i'm wary. i'm just afraid of more blaming women for their own lack of power and inequality. i mean, i don't believe that women are entirely blameless for the problem of inequality, nor do i claim that women can't be sexist, but i still feel that the majority of the blame lies in structural sexism and the kind of oppression that comes from those in power - meaning mostly not women.

    and women wouldn't do these horrible things if they weren't being rewarded for them in some way. sadly, maybe these acts (poledancing, g-string wearing, breast augmenting, etc) are what some women see as their only means of obtaining any kind of power or success in our flawed society.

    i'll just say i'm reserving judgment on the book until i've read it, but i have a rebuttal planned just in case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nucular
    i read about that book, and i have to admit, i'm wary. i'm just afraid of more blaming women for their own lack of power and inequality.
    good point.

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    nucular - good points

    You made some good points nucular... please read the book and then tell me... from the reviews--everyone seemed to like it she isn't blaming women at all... She is just pointing out that all the sexuality--is coming from a paid sex industry...where women's sexual "power" is just being the object of the male gaze...where are the chipendale dancers for example... I have to say that I think it is just so pervasive... and it is great that sexuality isn't taboo...but somehow "lad" culture has become the only model..that feminism has been co-opted.. And slut power is being confused with a real power.. I really want to see the new Charlize Theron movie where she fights discrimination... I think that movie has something to say.
    What you say is true...to be beautiful and sexual--is a good career move.. Look at Pamela Anderson.. The danger is that there is so little respect for the unbeautiful.. For example the pretty ones make so much more money..
    So yah if you are a model and breast implants are going to put money in your pocket..well that's one thing.. but when you feel out of place.. because you don't have. them.. It's all about lines..where do you draw it?


 

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