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    Quote Originally Posted by soapandwater
    Yeah, I'm glad Winston Churchill is so quotable, too, but my only question is how just because something has ties to capitalism that means it's done with capitalistic intent?
    Incidentally, I'm not seeing the "contradiction" here.

    I can be supportive of small business ventures AND also think the government should take a greater role in regulating certain services such as healthcare.

    This is because life is complex and not a "one size fits all" proposition.

    Unless I'm an idiot or an idealogue there is no reason for me to buy into one system without reservation.

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    oh i get it now, she was talking about the BOOK... yeah, still not a capitalist venture.

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    Re: It just occurred to me.....

    Wow, I can't get the leap from capitalism (creating and publishing a book) to "doing for yourself and helping others." Perhaps that's because, imho, capitalism isn't really helpful to the greater masses ("Capitalism is the astounding belief that the most wickedest of men will do the most wickedest of things for the greatest good of everyone." -John Maynard Keynes).

    Generally, I think of capitalism as personal profit-gathering, which I can't say I'm 100% convinced that Jean manages via this web site. Her book, for sure, but the web site seems to be a lot more about community building and not making the greatest profit. The ads generate some revenue, certainly, but not as much as she could (eg, replacing them with generic Google ads or annoying flashing hit-the-monkey type banners) and there's no cost to participate in the forums.

    For me, crafting is pretty anticonsumerist and therefore pretty nonparticipatory (or minimally participatory) in any economic system. YMMV.

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    Wow - you want to take Ms. Railla's success away from her, don't you ?

    It was the Capitalist system that gave her the motivation and opportunity to create Get Crafty. I'm sure that's not what was in her mind at the time, but living in this country with this economy made her dare to dream that she could do it. And she did. I'm not speaking for her state of mind, I don't know her and have never spoken with her, but she had the drive. How many socialist/communist entrepreneurs do you know? There aren't any. When we create, when we strive to achieve, we are taking part in the good-old American dream. Now, one can use their free-market opportunities to support socialism, or anything else for that matter - that's what's great about a free-market.

    Yes, every single one of you benefits from free-market Capitalism each time you log in to this website.

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    I'm so confused. Not about capitalism, but where all of this came from? Is this a spinoff from another thread I'm clearly not reading? Is there some conversation about capitalism going on somewhere that gives the original statement, and the follwing responses some context?

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    Re: It just occurred to me.....

    Quote Originally Posted by artgeek
    Generally, I think of capitalism as personal profit-gathering, which I can't say I'm 100% convinced that Jean manages via this web site. Her book, for sure, but the web site seems to be a lot more about community building and not making the greatest profit. The ads generate some revenue, certainly, but not as much as she could (eg, replacing them with generic Google ads or annoying flashing hit-the-monkey type banners) and there's no cost to participate in the forums.
    She didn't write it for free, I assure you. I don't know what the revenues look like, but she has a family to support like everyone else. And why can't community-building be profitable? Crafting is profitable for many people - and why is "profit" a dirty word? If anything, she found her nitch in the free-market system. She can do something she loves while supporting herself. We all want that, don't we?

    Put down the Keynes and pick up Milton Friedman or Adam Smith.

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    Quote Originally Posted by belleepoque
    I'm so confused. Not about capitalism, but where all of this came from? Is this a spinoff from another thread I'm clearly not reading? Is there some conversation about capitalism going on somewhere that gives the original statement, and the follwing responses some context?
    Good point...correction made.

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    There are socialist OR communist (as they're not the same thing) entrepeneurs. You can create something and market it-- just how it's distributed would explain whether it was socialism, communism, capitalism, etc.

    And p.s., we don't have pure capitalism in this country. If we did, we'd really regret it.

    P.P.S. I question the American Dream, too. People in socialist countries have the drive to publish their THOUGHTS. Now, only Jean can really defend her position, and she doesn't have to--

    but interestingly, the Internet is not owned by the United States.

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    Since we don't have a Jean-Railla-in-a-box to compare what her experiences would be and how she would thrive under different economic systems, it's a little disingenuous to credit capitalism with all she is and has dreamed.

    I don't deny that capitalism has provided me with benefits, but that doesn't mean I'm blind to its many issues.

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    Re: It just occurred to me.....

    Quote Originally Posted by Halfnhalf
    She didn't write it for free, I assure you.
    You don't have to assure me. Because my original post identified her book as a source of profit.

    Quote Originally Posted by Halfnhalf
    I don't know what the revenues look like, but she has a family to support like everyone else.
    I'm not denying her the right to profit from her book nor anyone else from their ventures. It's a capitalist system; we have to survive in it (like everyone else). But that hardly makes me a capitalist cheerleader.

    Quote Originally Posted by Halfnhalf
    Put down the Keynes and pick up Milton Friedman or Adam Smith.
    Brilliant.


 
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