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Snufkin


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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2004 3:40 pm    Post subject:
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I taped the first two episodes and watched them all in one setting. It's not as enjoyable as Frontier House, but I have crushes on Don and his dog Henry. Definitely the cutest cast members! And I'm a smartass, but after hearing several people gripe about the primitive living conditions for the 17th century, I started to think that PBS could've saved a whole lot of money and just sent them off to someplace like Central America. I mean, a lot of people who aren't middle class Americans, have the exact style of living and lack of amenities that these cast members were having to go back into the 17th century to find.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2004 3:45 pm    Post subject:
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All I kept thinking is, what are they going to actually do with those spars and are they replanting the trees they just killed?

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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2004 4:19 pm    Post subject: Colonial House
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My husband, daughter and I sent in our application to be accepted as a participant on the Montana Frontier House. Sadly, we did not make the cut, but were in the top 30 of the selected participants.
After watching the series on television, our daughter was glad we didn't make it. She is a musician and would not have been able to take her bassoon with her. I was torn, but felt we could have done really well. My husband, would still be living in Montana today. :)
I'm really sorry that I missed the Colonial showing. Bummer
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2004 4:22 pm    Post subject:
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sun bear wrote:
ok i'm having 1 bit of trouble visualizing, when you pull off the waste yarn, won't the beginning bit of the real knitting be hanging loose while there's your real yarn still on one needle? You double it over, then you have these loose yarns plus the yarn on the needle to knit two together? also i thought you couldn't unravel from the bottom up.

thanks
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you can't unravel from the bottom up--you kind of have to pick out the waste yarn to free up the loopys on the bottom. But the fact that it won't unravel helps, because the free loops won't really go anywhere until you're ready for them. If it helps, put teh free loops on a spare needle.

Then you are folding the bottom bit up--the purl line is the fold line-- and knitting 1 stitch from the spare needle and 1 stitch from the reg needle together, all the way around. It's kind of like a 3 needle bind off in that respect, without the binding off bit.
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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2004 4:23 pm    Post subject:
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I watched colonial house with my dad and mom, and my dad was thrilled to see the tools they were using. The saw and axes were just like what he used growing up in the 40s and in his apprentice time.

The episode I saw had the moldy bacon and the guy coming out in church. I guess the governor is leaving next week? I need to see reruns so I can figure out what is going on.
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sun bear


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PostPosted: Thu May 20, 2004 4:25 pm    Post subject:
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bonnell,
Thank you, that makes much more sense now :)

So do you think this is all done on a circular to make a sort of tube and then decrease to the top? Sorry for such bugging questions, those boys just look so cute in those caps that I want to make one :)

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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2004 1:38 pm    Post subject:
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I love this show. Especially the freeman Dominic who ran away from the Colony and got free beer and chips at the local bar in town.

What kind of bugs me is-

1. If these participants know ahead of time the background of 17th century life and they have agreed to live according to those customs, why do they "choose" to not participate when it conflicts with their 21st century attitudes? I mean I wouldn't want to listen to a church sermon for 3 hours either, but as a participant in this project, why not try for the sake of the experience of this project?

2. Dominic running away from the colony under the pretenses of it being an exploration??

They bend the rules according to whatever they want or feel. Of course I don't agree with homosexuals being put to death, but on a more daily level of customs, I'm bugged that some people pick and choose what they will and won't do.

All in all, I am impressed though. I can't wait to see the new house go up.
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WildSnowflake


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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2004 5:50 pm    Post subject:
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like girlthursday said... they complain far too much. of course it's going to be hard. and you won't be able to have everything you want. this was a time of sacrifice and the want of the many is more important than the want of one.

i'm sure many during that time questioned their faith but still went to church because it was "the law" (we tend to forget the irony of the time... escaping religious persecution only to do the same to others... separation of church and state really didn't exist).


it's interesting how they are bringing new people in and having others leave to give a true feel of what it was like... each day seeming much like the next but still no real continuity...
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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2004 6:10 pm    Post subject:
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sun bear wrote:
oh and who loves the knitted hats they all have? It makes me want to knit


Here are some colonial patterns from Knitlist (http://groups.yahoo.com/group/knitlist): <
br /> Monmouth caps
http://polaris.umuc.edu/~jthies/sca/knitmonmout
hcap.html

http://www.employees.org/~cathy/caps.html

http://www.knitting-and.com/knitting/patterns/h
ats/monmouth.htm


stockings
http://www.woolworks.org/patterns/stocking.txt<
/a>
http://costume.dm.net/stockpat.html

bonnet adapted from Plimoth Plantation book of 17th Century Knitting Patterns
http://www.delareine.free-online.co.uk/NFOE-WEB
-SITE/articles/knit-bonnet.htm
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sun bear


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PostPosted: Fri May 21, 2004 7:20 pm    Post subject:
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wow thanks Karen! I might actually go buy some needles to try this out as it looks like fun :)

i can't believe someone already has colonial house mentioned in there as it being popular, i guess other people thought it was cute too :)

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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 12:20 pm    Post subject:
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just bumping to say it's on tonight and also b/c I wanted to thank Karen for posting the pattern, I'm almost done with a hat, I'd be done by now if I had read the whole pattern and also bought dpns, i forgot that once you start decreasing, a circular needle is just too wide, and bummer i have classes all this week so I might just have to go with straight needles and just pull the stitches on and off, sigh :(

it's coming out well, partly thanks to bonnell's kick a** description of how to make that hem part :)
thanks!
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 1:51 pm    Post subject:
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1. If these participants know ahead of time the background of 17th century life and they have agreed to live according to those customs, why do they "choose" to not participate when it conflicts with their 21st century attitudes? I mean I wouldn't want to listen to a church sermon for 3 hours either, but as a participant in this project, why not try for the sake of the experience of this project?

2. Dominic running away from the colony under the pretenses of it being an exploration??

They bend the rules according to whatever they want or feel. Of course I don't agree with homosexuals being put to death, but on a more daily level of customs, I'm bugged that some people pick and choose what they will and won't do.


No kidding! What they're doing with a lot of the rule bending is letting the 21st century sense of individualism coming through. Back then, it was a more collectivistic society and you had to go along with everything (even if it was something you didn't like/agree with) because people were dependent on one another for survival. Nowadays, we have more a bigger sense of personal freedom/entitlement because we're not a communal society any more. Which is a good and bad thing.

As for Dom going walkabout, he used the same kind of moral relativism you saw with the Clunes going into town to barter and trying to hide the box spring under their mattress. Yes, early settlers would've had to improvise and make-do. But they also didn't have the option of panhandling from suburbanites or dumpster diving! However, I'm loathe to get really pissy about their veering from historic accuracy since that was how you could really tell Karen Glenn was such a bitch!
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 2:18 pm    Post subject:
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Starting June 1, Plimouth Plantation http://www.plimoth.org is having a special "Colonial House" program all year long in their Craft Center with activities, lectures & workshops. On Oct. 23, 2004, there's a class in "Knitting a 17th-century Stocking." For info or to register, call (508) 746-1622 x 8359.

June 8 is handkerchief making, July 8 is embroidery, Aug. 10 & Oct. 12 are handkerchief sewing.

PS. Their "As Seen on Colonial House" shop sells felt hats and ladies' coifs (poly-cotton, not linen).
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PostPosted: Mon May 24, 2004 9:51 pm    Post subject: Sorry, but I'm bugged again.
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oh brother. I'm watching the next 2 episodes of Colonial House and I'm rolling my eyes watching Michelle Voorhees asserting HER own 21st century religious preferences again, not realizing she is supposed to be in a *17th century* project... someone just ship her back.

And does governor Don Heinz do any real work around the colony??

I guess this is what makes the show so good- having characters you love to hate.
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PostPosted: Tue May 25, 2004 11:56 am    Post subject:
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I haven't seen either of the Heinz' do anything. Don's just good at standing around and watching people work.

Can I just say how much I LOVE Jeff!? :) It's about time someone got those lazy-assed colonists on track!

I can't get over how much people are flip-flopping time periods. Carolyn and her insistence at everyone sitting according to their station at her stupid dinner party, but then starts bitching about feminism a little later. Not to mention the Heinz servant guy fussing about sitting according to station and fussing about having to live with the other servants, but then being allowed to stand up and address the congregation at church. Huh?

They should have sent Jeff weeks ago. :)
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