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peppermintsquare
Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 162 Location: austin
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 11:06 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | he kept saying "its ok to hector a smoker" did he mean to say heckle or is hector a real thing. |
oh my, I forgot about that! you just reminded me.
wow, it is a word. according to merriam-webster, the definition of hector is:
"intransitive senses : to play the bully
tansitive senses : to intimidate or harass by bluster or personal pressure"
And I actually thought that he made a good point. It is socially acceptable to tell people that smoking is bad for their health and joke about smoking, but it is not socially acceptable to joke with people that eating greasy, fattening food is bad for your health... yet. _________________ Read! http://sheis.youngandwithit.com
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xuli
Joined: 18 Apr 2004 Posts: 749 Location: sittin' on the dock of the bay
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 7:48 pm Post subject: |
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Just saw it! Over all I thought it was really well done.
I did agree with commenters who said he talked a little too much about his penis though. What was up with that?
Also ... while I thought the girlfriend was great, there were two things in the film that bothered me -- one was the way he starts out by showing all those pictures of his mom in the kitchen, saying, "When I grew up, my mom was cooking *all* *the* *time*" like those were the good old days. And then the girlfriend is shown cooking for him all the time too and she's the one who puts him on the detox diet.
It's funny, I love cooking, I love crafty stuff (obviously, I'm on this board), but I get weird when it's representations by men of women doing those things, versus representations by women of themselves doing those things. |
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stprcsm
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 117 Location: NoVa
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 8:06 pm Post subject: |
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interesting point.
mothers often did cook all the time becuase of lack of convienience foods/eating out. his GF cooked becuase that is her profession. it seems to me that this guy just got lucky in his ability to skate through life with women who always cooked for him.
but thinking about it, when I or my mother cook, we always make a full meal, not always "healthy" but balanced. when my dad or brother cooked for the family it was like box mac and cheese and hot dogs. Granted they didnt cook as often as my mother or I so in the long run we ate really well.
its funny, my mother taught me to cook. in fact I did most of the cooking from when I was about 7 untill I moved out, and now that Im back home for the summer I cook most nights. She taught me all about how to cook but also little details like serving colorful veg with bland colored fish how to tell if raw meat is seasoned well w/o tasting it ( my old roomate used to taste raw hamburg -blech)
the point of this really long post is, maybe just becuase Im a girl my mother took the time to teach me these things that she never taught to my brothers ( or my father) or maybe I just showed and intrest. either way Im SOOOO glad Im not forced to eat nasty prepared stuff all the time ( Im also glad she taught me how to sew so I dont have to choose from that clothes on the rack!) |
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xuli
Joined: 18 Apr 2004 Posts: 749 Location: sittin' on the dock of the bay
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Posted: Mon May 31, 2004 10:44 pm Post subject: |
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| stprcsm wrote: | | mothers often did cook all the time becuase of lack of convienience foods/eating out. his GF cooked becuase that is her profession. it seems to me that this guy just got lucky in his ability to skate through life with women who always cooked for him. |
See, that's exactly it. I don't think he was *intentionally* trying to say "feminism makes us fat, because now moms aren't cooking and we're all eating fast food", I just think he didn't really think critically about those images of his mom and what they were really saying. Or that he was very aware of how he skated through life with women cooking for him.
And the thing about his gf cooking for him -- even if it's her job, why should she? I teach Spanish for a living, but my bf takes Spanish classes on his own, without me. I mean, I let him practice with me and all, but I tend to keep the work I do for pay and the stuff I do with my bf for fun separate. Surely she has interests outside of food, which is (after all) just what she does for a living.
Thanks for replying to this, Stoprcsm, because in thinking this through with your response I realized what's bothering me -- it's the way niether the mother nor the gf is recognized as really having much of an identity outside of taking care of the way the filmmaker eats.
Anyway, I know it's a nit-picky thing to criticize in what was definitely a well-done movie. |
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Snufkin
Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 267 Location: Biggest Little City in the World
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 1:41 am Post subject: |
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Xuli, you're totally right about how he never portrays either woman in his life other than in the context of cooking for him! And while he probably didn't consciously mean to portray his girlfriend other than in the context of cooking for him and his sex life (glad I'm not the only one who wondered why he focused more the effects on his penis than his colon), it doesn't exactly send the best message.
As for parents teaching daughters to cook, I saw it with a friend I grew up with and we talked about it afterwards. In my family, I was taught from a pretty early age how to cook. It was my responsibility to pack me and my dad's lunch every night. And once my mom started working/going to grad school, I was responsible for cooking dinner every night. So while it perpetuated my dad being another guy who's had female relatives feed him his entire life, it did teach me the basics of preparing food/meals for myself. My friend didn't get assigned those responsibilities growing up and doesn't cook as much as an adult. To be fair, it was just her and her mom, so I'm sure there wasn't as much time for cooking lessons in their household. But she eats out a lot more than I do and when we used to live together, I usually did most of the cooking. _________________ "People call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat or a prostitute."
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twilight
Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 330 Location: New Mexico
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Posted: Tue Jun 01, 2004 3:10 am Post subject: |
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By the way, I love this board. This thread has been the most interesting and intelligent discussion of the movie I've been involved in. (just feeling lovvvvyyy right now)
Anyway, the last few posts have got me thinking about my childhood eating habits. My mother hated cooking. During my high school years I ate mostly manufactured food. Poptarts or honey bun for breakfast, generic high school cafeteria lunch, microwave dinners for supper. And artificial cookies and chips for snacks.
Ech. Nowadays, I eat a lot of organic food. I used to eat out more because I hated to cook. I realize now that my bad mother-daughter relationship influenced my relationship to cooking. Now that I've done therapy about my mother issues I'm starting to like cooking. _________________ Craft Revolution-one purl at a time.
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stprcsm
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 117 Location: NoVa
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 3:34 pm Post subject: |
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| Snufkin wrote: | | glad I'm not the only one who wondered why he focused more the effects on his penis than his colon. |
I dont remember, did he mention any colon problems (gas, diarrhea etc?)
I ( and many people ) get those problems with one fastfood meal, I have yet to hear of any penis problems.
also, I wish they would have given a total of how much he spent, on food and cabs etc. and I wish they would have taken body measurements
Im a sucker for astounding statistics |
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stprcsm
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 117 Location: NoVa
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 4:11 pm Post subject: |
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| peppermintsquare wrote: |
It is socially acceptable to tell people that smoking is bad for their health and joke about smoking, but it is not socially acceptable to joke with people that eating greasy, fattening food is bad for your health... yet. |
yes, cigg companys can only advertise in print while junkfood and sugar cereal ads all over cartoon network.
what about the foundation for a smoke-free america and the "truth" ads. what happens when obesity take #1 spot for preventable killer.
one last thing. The one doctor said something about in x number of years (I dont remember exactly) that 1 in 4 children born in 2000 will develop type 2 diabetes. the costs of meds and testing supplies for my mother runs over $150 a month (with insurance). so if eating healthy and exercise are too expensive and time consuming consider how much time you waste to earn $150/ month for the rest of your life. |
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xuli
Joined: 18 Apr 2004 Posts: 749 Location: sittin' on the dock of the bay
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Posted: Thu Jun 03, 2004 9:16 pm Post subject: |
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| stprcsm wrote: | I dont remember, did he mention any colon problems (gas, diarrhea etc?)
I ( and many people ) get those problems with one fastfood meal, I have yet to hear of any penis problems. |
Well, there was the sequence after he eats the first supersized meal in which we get to watch him vomit. That was preceded by him saying he had a serious case of "McGas." Other than that ... there was the gratuitous shot of his ass when he got a colon exam in the whole sequence where they showed the consultation with his doctors before starting the McDonald's project. It seemed to me odd that he put in that shot, which was clearly a prelude to a colo-rectal exam, but didn't follow up with any in-depth discussion of his colon. However, fortunately for us, I guess it would have been a bit problematic (from a ratings standpoint) to put in a pre-examination shot of his penis ...
| stprcsm wrote: | | also, I wish they would have given a total of how much he spent, on food and cabs etc. and I wish they would have taken body measurements. |
I think that would have been a really good addition, especially considering the discussion we had on this thread about the apparent cheapness and hidden costs of fast food eating. |
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topazdebutante
Joined: 21 Apr 2004 Posts: 38
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Posted: Mon Jun 07, 2004 12:40 pm Post subject: |
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I loved this movie. I have a question. Did he ever add up how much it cost him to eat there everyday? I think that would be interesting to know.
Also, I had to laugh when the lobbysit guy admitted that they were part of the problem. The first thing I thought as a communication student is he is so going to get canned. Lo and Behold he did.
Also, McDonalds says they werent influenced by this but now they offer apples instead of fries in kids meals as well as chocolate and regular milk. Their salads are probably better than fried foods but as he pointed out if you use the dressing then they arent really any better.
I think this movie should be shown in college nutrition classes so that it can be discussed. I know I would have loved to do that. _________________ *Luck & wishes* |
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