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honeybee
Joined: 15 Apr 2004 Posts: 285 Location: appalachia
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 4:26 pm Post subject: |
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maybe it's just growing pains. kind of akin to a relationship in which the couple has to work through some stuff and fight a bit before emerging on the next level. it just seems like people are getting to know each other better and perhaps having some peconceived notions shattered. not always easy, but more real and honest in the long run. |
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sublimestitcher
Joined: 22 May 2004 Posts: 196 Location: austin, tx
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 5:53 pm Post subject: |
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Yeah, it's a bit more volatile than it ever was, I have to agree. To be honest, I think it's because there are more younger posters (wagging boner finger in the air) over there. When you're 23, you're ready to roll up your sleeves and argue, when you're 31 you're more inclined to go "Eh, whatever." At least on certain issues.
I can't really say why I've spent more time over there than here, but I may start hanging out over here more, although not because of the recent controversies.
This board does feel a bit like the 'ol tyme glitter. The other board, where I'm a contributing editor (so check the home page!), does seem to have more fluff threads. There, I said it. I get annoyed with the "Wah I Stubbed My Toe" topics. But, there are some real gems at the same time.
I dunno. I remember when I first started posting to Glitter about three years ago there was definitely a standard- I tried to contribute something truly worthwhile, funny, thought-provoking or asked a question that would help others too. _________________
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Becky65301
Joined: 18 May 2004 Posts: 80
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 7:59 pm Post subject: |
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| sublimestitcher wrote: | | To be honest, I think it's because there are more younger posters (wagging boner finger in the air) over there. When you're 23, you're ready to roll up your sleeves and argue, when you're 31 you're more inclined to go "Eh, whatever." At least on certain issues. |
I'm still fairly new to the crafty boards- found the old glitter and craftster at about the same time, and getcrafty a bit later (you know, all the confusion about the split I didn't realize getcrafty was here) I've posted quite a bit on glitter, but I have a hard time there (also wagging boner finger in the air), there are some threads I don't even go near 'cause I am positive they're going to piss me off, and I feel everyone is entitled to my opinion so best for me to keep away, bwaha ha ha. And alot of my views are very very different than they were when I was 18, or 21, or 25 even, so I have a tendancy to read alot of stuff and think 'oh she'll change her tune in 5 years'... Very rude of me, I know, but I do think it's fair enough to say that one's opinions on issues and one's priorities can change as one gets older.
Having said that, I do feel more comfortable here and at craftster than at glitter anymore, mostly cause on glitter their is much more emphasis on lifestyle than on crafts-- and it's the crafts I have in common-- discussing craftiness I can do, but my frame of reference on most of the lifestyle things just doesn't match with the majority. |
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susan*s
Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 99 Location: Portland, OR
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Posted: Wed Jul 07, 2004 10:38 pm Post subject: |
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I really prefer the vibe over here most of the time, although like Sublime Stitcher I'm a contributing editor of supernaturale--so I find myself posting links & other cool stuff on the main page more than I actually post on the message boards themselves.
I've been on glitter for four years and I have met so many cool people through it, which I love... but I just don't have as much time to hang out anywhere online as I used to, & don't feel as at home on supernaturale as I used to on getcrafty/glitter. I like dropping by from time to time, but I just don't hang out there every day.
And I have to say that this board feels more feminist and that is one more thing to love!
susan _________________ ** http://www.susanstars.com/ ** |
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cyan
Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 54 Location: BC
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 2:47 am Post subject: |
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When this new board first popped up, I recall someone describing it as a warm blanket, and that really sums up how I feel.
I go to the other board because it's more active, but it over there it seems more like you're in an auditorium and everyone's talking at once, all the while trying to talk over each other, while over here it's like you're in someone's house, chatting to old friends while drinking tea.
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anmeikitty
Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 21
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 5:27 am Post subject: |
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The problem with the other board is that it is controlled by a feminist clique. Just like the way liberals control the media. The nerve of them!
This board is so much more visually appealing and is more like Glitter circa 2001 (a very good year, I think) than the other one is. Those were the days! A tight group of sassy, interesting, friendly ladies discussing anything and everything.
The other board is a little too young and neo-conservative and crappily designed for my taste. |
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brdgt Craftista Moderator
Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 1563 Location: Wisconsin
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 8:27 am Post subject: |
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| Very well put anmeikitty, and I like your brand of sarcasm ;) |
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Snufkin
Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 267 Location: Biggest Little City in the World
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:51 am Post subject: |
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| anmeikitty wrote: | The problem with the other board is that it is controlled by a feminist clique. Just like the way liberals control the media. The nerve of them!
This board is so much more visually appealing and is more like Glitter circa 2001 (a very good year, I think) than the other one is. Those were the days! A tight group of sassy, interesting, friendly ladies discussing anything and everything.
The other board is a little too young and neo-conservative and crappily designed for my taste. |
Ha! As always, you get to the heart of the matter anmeikitty. Yeah, the thing I've never been able to figure out is that while probably *every other craft board* in the universe has got to be neo-conservative, why do people get their noses out of joint if one board is different and focuses on feminism instead? There's gotta be a million other places (or Promise Keeper's ladies auxiliary groups) where craft minded neo-conservative gals can gather online. But not the same case for us crafty feminists. _________________ "People call me a feminist whenever I express sentiments that differentiate me from a doormat or a prostitute."
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soapandwater
Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 945
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 10:59 am Post subject: |
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I think another problem with the board is that immediately after one polarizing issue is brought up, someone will be inspired to create another one.
Like, right now, after all the talk of P.C., feminism, leaving the board, someone put up a poll for political ideology, which will cause endless debate, just like the poll on abortion.
I think polls are a little too nonchalant for that sort of thing, and I don't see why you'd bring an issue like that up in the middle of a board conflict. That's asking for trouble; there will be a bunch of people piping up to say, "I'm conservative and often feel uncomfortable on this board because of the liberals, but blah blah blah here's my chance to talk about being conservative." "HEY I'M CONSERVATIVE TOO."
What a great way to bond with the glitterati, by making a point to start arguments in which people make descriptions of themselves that do alienate some and alienate themselves. There's no intellectual discussion on why people believe what they believe; there's just "I'm so tired of being the only Republican/Democrat/Green/Communist/Socialist/Libertarian here." _________________ When you got a hundred voices singin',
who can hear a lousy whistle blow? |
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honeybee
Joined: 15 Apr 2004 Posts: 285 Location: appalachia
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 11:22 am Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | There's no intellectual discussion on why people believe what they believe; there's just "I'm so tired of being the only Republican/Democrat/Green/Communist/Socialist/Libertarian here." |
i think there are innaccurate generalizations being stated here, and i have to disagree. while that may be true some of the time, i see a mix of backgrounds and beliefs, and there are intelligent discussions taking place.
how ironic that the perceived negative vibes on glitter that some people are reacting to are being carried over to getcrafty, which the same people have heralded as having a nicer vibe? |
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soapandwater
Joined: 13 Apr 2004 Posts: 945
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 11:37 am Post subject: |
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I never meant that I haven't had intellectual discussions over there and that it's a mass piece of fluff. I just mean that lately polarizing issues have been coming up, and a whole bunch of people seem relieved these issues come up so they can finally point out how different they are from the liberal poster or something like that. Like, "Phew, thank goodness I can finally be conservative in this thread." No one wants to find common ground on issues, anymore. No one wants to find common ground at all. At least, that's the impression I get, and I don't think I'm overgeneralizing because I have been looking at the board before its split and after, and I've been positing at both. If it's true to me, I don't see how I can be wrong in my opinion.
The reason it's being discussed here is because if people need a place to vent, they should have one.
And it does have a nicer vibe here. Not everything is all or nothing, black or white, cliche or not.
P.S.: Honeybee, I have respected your opinion even in dissent, and I still do. _________________ When you got a hundred voices singin',
who can hear a lousy whistle blow? |
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Athos
Joined: 14 Apr 2004 Posts: 446 Location: San Francisco
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 12:03 pm Post subject: |
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frankly, i find it a little too meta to be discussing another message board when i'd rather spend my time going through the craft stuff here.
honeybee, i have to point out that while everyone seems to be saying, yeah, the boards are different but here is better for me, you're really the only one i see being negative. perhaps that means the other board is better *for you*. if you find the discussions there to be intelligent and rewarding, then that's great, and i'm happy you have that outlet of expression, but not everyone is able or inclined to find that same fulfillment you have.
at the end of the day, i think each of us just wants to find a comfortable, rewarding place to spend limited recreation time online. and whether that's here, on craftster, livejournal, indiebride, or a bazillion other places, it's all good! |
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honeybee
Joined: 15 Apr 2004 Posts: 285 Location: appalachia
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | Not everything is all or nothing, black or white, cliche or not.
P.S.: Honeybee, I have respected your opinion even in dissent, and I still do. |
thanks, soapandwater.
i agree that there are many shades between black and white, which is why i can be such a stickler for language such as "all", "there is no...", "always", "never", "everyone", etc.(and i'm not saying this to you, specifically).
it may not be intended to be exclusive or generalizing, but it comes across that way, so i often look for clarification and more accuracy.
ouch, athos. i didn't start this thread, nor do i think my comments were even negative, and certainly not more so than other comments in this very thread. my intentions in posting in this thread are to be constructive and look at things objectively, as well as to attempt to stop the polarization i see happening.
i see good things on both forums, and i intend to browse both forums. |
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kungfugirl
Joined: 21 May 2004 Posts: 22 Location: Seattle
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 12:16 pm Post subject: |
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I don't know why I never post here, but I can tell you I'm switching over now. You know Glitter's gone down the tubes when people spend more time defending racist comments than those who speak out against them. And I HATE that Private Message function - it's sneaky and I don't enjoy receiving e-mails telling me what I should and shouldn't say or why I'm rude.
That 'dramatic exit' thing still baffles me. Who even did that? I'd been off the boards for weeks when I heard through the live journal grapevine about all the shit going down and had to go check it out. Now I wish I hadn't. |
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anmeikitty
Joined: 13 May 2004 Posts: 21
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Posted: Thu Jul 08, 2004 1:00 pm Post subject: |
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| Quote: | | how ironic that the perceived negative vibes on glitter that some people are reacting to are being carried over to getcrafty, which the same people have heralded as having a nicer vibe? |
And its not even Alanis Morrissette irony, either! Who do ya think is doing all this carrying over of negative vibes? The only negative junk I've seen here is the person who told people not to post about politics on her very first day becuase she doesn't like them and she found the other board to be "too left" (just like that damn Fox News! Damn feminists) and your posts here.
Oh wait, this is supposed to be one of those deep rhetorical questions because lord knows we don't want to start a big old polarizing debate by each answering it and gettin' all crazy meta on it! |
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